If Marzel truly is a real leader.

[avichai]

I guess nobody really gets it you can,t clone Kahane you work with the realistic leaders who are true to Torah and the closet to your postions Marzel has had zero impact politically and he collects money also Feiglin has succeeded more then anyone and it is not over yet the real loons are the ones who did nad do not support him because he probably is the last hope politcally to save Israel which is much better then the alternative and Dovid I am surprised at you you work at the behest of the Judenrat when they sell out the Yehuda and Shomron your council goes into the disengagement train also .I still have some hope for Feiglin  to get in if he does not I see the reality of Revolution as the only last hope to save Israel if you have already thrown in the towel what are you waiting for THEY ARE COMIING FOR YOU!!!!

[doom777]

You can't clone Kahane, but you could approach his ideal as close as you can. Feiglin is not realistic, because his goal is too far off, and he will never be successful. You cannot bring Torah to Israel through the Knesset.

As for David working for the Shomron regional council, I have more belief in integrity of Gershom Masika than of Moshe Feiglin. At least Masika is a through and through settler. That being said, I am suspicious of Masika also, because he chose to be a politician. In my book, unless you are R. Kahane, politics is a dirty game, and politicians are dirty peoplee.

[avichai]

You can't clone Kahane, but you could approach his ideal as close as you can. Feiglin is not realistic, because his goal is too far off, and he will never be successful. You cannot bring Torah to Israel through the Knesset.

As for David working for the Shomron regional council, I have more belief in integrity of Gershom Masika than of Moshe Feiglin. At least Masika is a through and through settler. That being said, I am suspicious of Masika also, because he chose to be a politician. In my book, unless you are R. Kahane, politics is a dirty game, and politicians are dirty peoplee.

So again Doom if that is what you believe are you preparing for the revolution or are you going to sit back and G-D forbid watch another Holocaust .Talk is cheap action speaks louder then words.

[Meir Weinstein]

It is easy to sit on the sidelines and only complain and judge everyone.  I think Boruch Marzel, Moshe Feiglin and David HaIvri and working very hard for the Jewish People and for that they need support. 

[QGH]

You can't clone Kahane, but you could approach his ideal as close as you can. Feiglin is not realistic, because his goal is too far off, and he will never be successful. You cannot bring Torah to Israel through the Knesset.

Didn't Kahne himself try workgin through the knesset?

So again Doom if that is what you believe are you preparing for the revolution or are you going to sit back and G-D forbid watch another Holocaust .Talk is cheap action speaks louder then words.

I agree. Talk is cheap. Are you preparing a revolution. Or do you know of a serious leader who is doing so?

It is easy to sit on the sidelines and only complain and judge everyone.  I think Boruch Marzel, Moshe Feiglin and David HaIvri and working very hard for the Jewish People and for that they need support. 

True.
Even if you don't think Feiglin or Marzel  or anyone else will succeed or will have any influence, untill you have a real alternative there is no point in knocking any of these guys down.
These guys are all good people with good intentions. It is ok to argue against them, but there is no need to trash them apart.

[Hebrewhonor]

avichai listen bro , feiglin says that medinat halacha is his worst nightmare.... he says that its only "ok" to kick out the arabs in times of war... etc

This is not kahanism , sorry ... i respact him ,and he does alot of good , but this is not kahanism .... its not even shas . its like a more like a extreme moledet ...

marzel on the other hand , slogan , in the last election was "baderech ba halachnu , anu tamid nelech " , with the pic of rabbi kahane 

he says we must kick out the arabs , with "nehishut ve regishut" , he is pro-medinat halacha , etc ...
it is kahanism


Marzel is exploiting the system of the knesset , If they allow him , why not?

besides , Even if i wanted to vote for feiglin , I WILL NOT VOTE FOR BIBI ,in order to do that
he need his own party if he want kahanist support , or to join marzel party

[doom777]

Didn't Kahne himself try workgin through the knesset?

...and failed miserably, showing us all that the Knesset is not the avenue for righteous change.

I agree. Talk is cheap. Are you preparing a revolution. Or do you know of a serious leader who is doing so?

I know serious people who are doing more important and more realistic things.

True.
Even if you don't think Feiglin or Marzel  or anyone else will succeed or will have any influence, untill you have a real alternative there is no point in knocking any of these guys down.
These guys are all good people with good intentions. It is ok to argue against them, but there is no need to trash them apart.

I am not trashing anyone. I am just saying that supporting Feiglin is a waste of time and money.

[avichai]

None of you have real answers just disceting what everyone else does, would you go naked if you could not find the clothes you like of course not same thing here we must wear the best leader Hashem gives us now like Yiftach and believe me Feiglin is that best clothes or burn down the whole store.

[doom777]

None of you have real answers just disceting what everyone else does, would you go naked if you could not find the clothes you like of course not same thing here we must wear the best leader Hashem gives us now like Yiftach and believe me Feiglin is that best clothes or burn down the whole store.

I don't understand your analogy. My ideal is a bloodless revolution -- disposal of the Knesset without the horrors that revolutions bring. However revolutions don't succeed without popular support; which is why we need to focus on spreading the message to the Jews, not fruitlessly attempt to storm the Knesset.

[avichai]

I don't understand your analogy. My ideal is a bloodless revolution -- disposal of the Knesset without the horrors that revolutions bring. However revolutions don't succeed without popular support; which is why we need to focus on spreading the message to the Jews, not fruitlessly attempt to storm the Knesset.

Numbnuts the Knesset is supposed to be for the people instead it supresses the people thus it must be burnt down and rebuilt for the people and by the people.

[doom777]

Numbnuts the Knesset is supposed to be for the people instead it supresses the people thus it must be burnt down and rebuilt for the people and by the people.

Burnt down, but not rebuilt. It's now how a Jewish country should be run.

[avichai]

Burnt down, but not rebuilt. It's now how a Jewish country should be run.

In the meantime the only thing you are burning down is your Chanukah candles.

[doom777]

In the meantime the only thing you are burning down is your Chanukah candles.

Actually, I couldn't even do that. The second I lit them, the fire alarm went on. I had to extinguish them. I called a Rabbi, and he told me to set a flashlight to point up for half an hour.

[educator]

quote from doom

Actually, I couldn't even do that. The second I lit them, the fire alarm went on. I had to extinguish them. I called a Rabbi, and he told me to set a flashlight to point up for half an hour.

My suggestion is that you try to look for some candles that don't produce a large flame and put the candles in some glass case with a covering and experiment [if you can] if this sets off your fire alarm.
If you can light even one candle without setting off your alarm , go back and ask your rabbi if this is halachicly a better option than the flashlight. My guess is he'll say yes.
This is just advice not a halachic psak.

[lerm]

One final note. I'm not sure if I would vote at all if not for the fact that several years ago, I got a Psak from Rav Yisrael Ariel, Shlit"a, obligating me to vote for the lesser of evils. In that particular election he said vote for Marzel provided that he has a chance of getting in.
I don't remember, how great a probability of being elected, he demanded.

If Marzel gets in now, that will bring the yellow flag to the Bima of the Knesset. In my view, that cannot possibly be lesser evil than the evils of Likud, Lieberman, Bayit HaYehudi, Moledet, Shas. But it is a hard call. The situation is quite unbelievable.