How To Stop the Withdrawal

[Yaakov Ish Tam]

How To Stop the Withdrawal

With the Israeli government determined to dismantle outposts and settlements, it is the duty of every God-fearing Jew to try to prevent this outrage – and there are many practical measures we can take to accomplish this.

When the government decides to dismantle a settlement, it is forced to allocate massive IDF and police manpower to the locale in question. Forces are mustered from all over the country to carry out the government order, and because of that, the government is left vulnerable.

While the army and police are attempting to evacuate a settlement, simultaneous, large-scale disruptions throughout the country can have a powerful effect as they would simply be unmanageable by the forces remaining. The IDF would have no other choice than to scale back the soldiers used to carry out the dismantlement. This is the only realistic and effective measure that concerned citizens can take, considering the often long travel times and army blockades which prevent Jews from physically being present in the settlements they wish to defend. 

An up-and-coming movement called "Revava" has begun organizing a series of meetings throughout the country. The goal of the movement is to initiate nationwide disobedience on the day the government enacts its plan of destroying outposts.   

"Revava" is allowing every member to decide for himself how active he can be when that moment comes. Whether it is being physically present at the outpost in question to help locals resist, blocking the intersection closest to their place of residence along with other local activists, or merely demonstrating by roadsides – everyone can take part. Pay attention to notices of upcoming meetings that will feature speakers who explain tactics relevant to a range of issues, from how to reach an outpost under army blockade, to methods that can be used to resist evacuations as they happen.

As its name implies, "Revava" has set for itself a goal of 10,000 members to be recruited over the next year.

[avichai]

Why not take it one step further.Offensive is the best defence why should the leftests and Arabs set the agenda ,and we just react .Let settlements be set up in as many places as possible encouraging Jews inside and outside of Israel to settle in large numbers to show our love,strength and numbers.Also why should we be made to feel uncomfortable in our homeland of Israel ,Let the Arab get a taste of his own medicine .Boycott doing business with Arabs and those that employ them .If every Jew will just yell at every Arab on the street or wherever he encounters them ,with words such as Terrorist ,murders get out of our G-D given Israel ,imagine what can be.

[Real Jew]

I think avichai got it right,

I think revava is too soft.

Look in the story from 1979 in this weeks darka shel torah
there were real jews, baruch marzel, baruch ben yosef, shmuel citren,
and avraham Sheinfeld (although he's gone soft)  they were not
afraid and knew that to succeed they had to not even let
rabbi kahane know what they were planning.  They did not fear
arrest, but broke in to the wakf offices.

Now thats what we must do!!!

We must learn from these great leaders.

[boustrophedon]

Those things can be done in addition to Revava, but there's no reason to put down Revava's ideas and plans of action.
I think the disobedience plan is a great idea because it's a way of getting the job done with little or no violence amongst Jews.

[avichai]

afunah rechanit Don,t say I,m putting done Revava .A good idea always can be built on .All beginnings are hard and theres always a better way to skin a cat .

[boustrophedon]

afunah rechanit Don,t say I,m putting done Revava .A good idea always can be built on .All beginnings are hard and theres always a better way to skin a cat .

I meant Real Jew, since all he has is criticism.

[Yossel Ben-Yehuda]

Anyone who puts down Revava has no clue what this fight is about or what is required to save Israel from a spiritual destruction.

[Tamid Bsimcha]

ABALLE!!!!!! SAVE ERETZ YISRAEL !!!! SAVE AM YISRAEL!!!! MOSHIACH!!!!!!!
 kol hakavod on all your avodat kodesh you guys all do! is there a revava group in beit shemesh?!?!?  i would love to give out flyers, stickers, hang up banners and all other theings that need to be done, i want to help with the AVODAT KODESH! kol hakavod
shira

[Tzvi Ben Roshel]

Y not also, attack arabs in pre-1967 Israel on that day? kids and teens should throw rocks and spitt, etc,. at arabs on that day. if there willing to get arrested and cause trouble y not do it against arabs. (they would be knocking 2 birds with 1 stone)

[Yaakov Ish Tam]

I am in favor,  but I don't participate in such activities,

You realize legally as a movement you can not advocate or encourage such things.

It is bad enough that we are openly encouraging people to break the law, once we call for attacking Arabs we will be closed down before we finish our sentence.

If people went ahead and did this on their own, kol hakavod to them but it can't be a part of Revava for obvious reasons.

[Joe]

Here's something real simple everyone can do. It's not flashy nor earthshaking, but I think it's worthwhile.

Wear a blue thread on your clothing. I've already started handed out threads here in the U.S. and people are wearing them. The blue thread is meant to symbolize that we stand in solidarity with the soldiers who will be refusing orders. Visit the Israel Strike website http://israelstrike.com for details of the Blue Thread Campaign.

I will mail blue thread to you. (I bought some fancy metallic glow-in-the-dark threads). Email me your mailing address.

[avichai]

I am in favor, but I don't participate in such activities,

You realize legally as a movement you can not advocate or encourage such things.

It is bad enough that we are openly encouraging people to break the law, once we call for attacking Arabs we will be closed down before we finish our sentence.

If people went ahead and did this on their own, kol hakavod to them but it can't be a part of Revava for obvious reasons.

This kind of attitude is defeatest.Reminds me of the joke of the 2 Jews lined up by the nazis in a firing squad ,The one Jew says to the other this eyeblinder is to tight ,I,m going to ask the soldiers to loosen it ,the other Jew says,NO you  want to make things worse.They outlawed the Kach party ,they even outlawed the movememnts after,they shoved Oslo down our throats,they,re now going to unilaterally surrender to the enemy as they killus daily ,and uproot thousands of Jews from they,re homes etc.The Govt can go to hell .We need revolution and emunah ,not calculations like the political parties in Israel .So Yaakov be strong have faith and let Hashen do the worrying .Chazak

[Joe]

"This kind of attitude is defeatist."

I disagree. You may not be aware, but for years I've been involved in fighting the listing of Kahane related groups on the State Department's list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTO's). After a great amount of time, expense, and nisim the attorney involved on our side got the US government to cough up the unclassified portion of the administrative record that was being used as a basis for putting the groups on the list in the first place. (I will send you a copy of the record, but the cost of copying and mailing is $150 -- the record is hundreds of pages long).

Now please follow this logic:

1. If a group is on the list, it is illegal to send money to it.

2. We have now shown that the record that is in the hands of the government fails to support the allegations that the Kahane related groups which are listed are terrorist in nature.

3. We may in the next couple of months be able to get the groups off the list, since this case is coming up before a Federal Court, and we will argue that the record is weak. The judges may agree with us and order the government to take the groups off the list.

4. If that happens and the groups are off the list, then the floodgates of funding will open and people who want to support Kahane related activities in Eretz Yisrael and who have perhaps used caution and hesitated to send money will be able to send it openly (in truth, they can legally do it now by sending to groups like Revava which are NOT on the list, but some people may be reluctant to do so, for legitimate reasons of being cautious.)

Now here's the punchline: if a group which claims to be following the direction of Rabbi Meir Kahane z"l and his son Binyamin z"l go ahead and do something that neither Rabbis Meir or Binyamin Kahane z"l advocated, such as what you SEEM to be suggesting, then they would be doing TWO things wrong:

A. They would be falsely representing themselves as Kahanist
B. They would be making it harder to raise money legally.

So I suggest to you, my friend Avichai, that you accept Revava for what it is.

[avichai]

maybe you,ll also get Pollard released while your at it.Get real ,the American and Israeli Govts are in bed together ,and will NEVER ALLOW movements to arise that contradict they,re selfish policies .The only way to do it is decalre a State of Judea .Which Rav Kahane and his son were advocating till the end .I support Revava ,BUT State of Judea will change the rules of the game forever ,unlike temporary demonstrations that the Govt can overcome .

[Tzvi Ben Roshel]

I am in favor,  but I don't participate in such activities,

You realize legally as a movement you can not advocate or encourage such things.

It is bad enough that we are openly encouraging people to break the law, once we call for attacking Arabs we will be closed down before we finish our sentence.

If people went ahead and did this on their own, kol hakavod to them but it can't be a part of Revava for obvious reasons.

good point, i agree.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel]

Yaakov are u incharge of Revave? 

[Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim]

Yaakov are u incharge of Revave? 

David HaIvri is in charge of Revava.

[zev]

Firstly, I will admit to my own ignorance before stating my opinion.  If you have a different view, please convince me.  I am a baal tshuvah and am making plans to travel from the US to Israel to protest the disengagement because it is completely unjustifiable, even from a secular view as far as I can see.  I firmly believe that Sharon has lost his marbles.  However, I do not agree with fighting fire with fire as so many on these forums seem to support.  Does not the Torah say not to strike a fellow Jew?  I think that the way you make yourself heard is through peaceful protest, because the secular world cannot villainize you even close to as much as they would and do if you break the law.  I suggest that Jews instead stand up and voice their view in large numbers while only disobeying the law that is unjust: that being the disengagement bill.  If we break other laws which we agree with in the process, then we are really weakening our position.

Just a thought. I look forward to constructive criticism.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel]

zev glad to c that your a bal teshuva, so am i,also glad that your going to israel and G-d willing i will have the same opportunity after i finish high-school this year.
1- the Torah does say not to strike a fellow Jew, but A- when he is acting like your brother and not going against you. and B- i just read at Arutz sheva that the people who will be removing the settlements are non-Jews.
2- their are peacefull protests against it, but the truth is that they dont work and arent effective. we must make the rules ourselves and not wait till the last  minute when the gov strikes us and its too late. itll be like the Holocaust G-d forbidd where Jews started to rebell at the last minute in the Warsaw ghetto when it was too late.

[zev]

Yes, I also saw that article, though it seems to only apply to the police.  It will be interesting to see.  I doubt if they can gather the 6,000 they supposedly require for each settlement move purely from non-Jews.  Also, I'm not sure if a fellow Jew is acting against Torah if that is an adequate exception to the rule not to strike another Jew.  I think that this is a very thin line, and an issue that everyone needs to be extremely careful with.  We have seen how the muslims handle themselves killing each other; we must not become like this, and must be extra careful cause when the adrenaline starts rushing people can do horrible things.

I do not see sufficient evidence to support your claim that peaceful protests dont work.  It is indeed true that the results of violent protests are quicker,  but I think in many cases these results are undesirable.  I think the only time in which violent protests are a good idea is when you plan to incite a civil war (which I hope is something that is not on anyone's mind).  Violence is viewed as criminal, and will be handled as such by the ruling party.  Peaceful disobedience is not.   

I agree the time is now to protest, hopefully before the May 15 deadline in which Gaza will be closed off, and definitely prior to the July deadline when the removal will begin. 

[Yaakov Ish Tam]

Firstly, I will admit to my own ignorance before stating my opinion.  If you have a different view, please convince me.  I am a baal tshuvah and am making plans to travel from the US to Israel to protest the disengagement because it is completely unjustifiable, even from a secular view as far as I can see.  I firmly believe that Sharon has lost his marbles.  However, I do not agree with fighting fire with fire as so many on these forums seem to support.  Does not the Torah say not to strike a fellow Jew?  I think that the way you make yourself heard is through peaceful protest, because the secular world cannot villainize you even close to as much as they would and do if you break the law.  I suggest that Jews instead stand up and voice their view in large numbers while only disobeying the law that is unjust: that being the disengagement bill.  If we break other laws which we agree with in the process, then we are really weakening our position.

Just a thought. I look forward to constructive criticism.

If someone comes to kill you, rise up early and kill him first.

Judaism is not a "turn the other cheek" pacifistic religion.

Normally strife between Jews is the worst possible scenario and should be avoided at all costs. Except for a few examples..

1. Self defense one does not allow even another Jew to harm us physically or in any other way.
2. Chillul Hashem, a desecration of G-d's name if we do not act.
3. Civil war, such as when the levites stood up after the golden calf, pilegesh b'givah, Maccabees during chanukka etc... Some Jews are wicked and a danger to the very existence of the Jewish people. Such people need to be destroyed for the sake of the community.

1. If someone comes to expel me from my house, Jew or goy I will resist. It is a shame that such force is necessary but THEY are the aggressors in this case and the responsibility for any violence lies on their heads

2. This is not a personal issue, it is a national and religious one. Giving away land in Eretz Yisrael is absolutely forbidden under Torah Law and to do so after years of constant terrorism is a huge desecration of G-d's name. All of those Jews who died settling or defending the land will have died in vain and their graves even dug up and moved. And all this to give the land on a silver platter to the very animals who have been murdering us.
It can't be that an Arab will murder Jews and then be GIVEN THAT JEW'S HOUSE by the sick distorted Israeli government.
It also sends the message that we don't have faith in G-d that he can keep his promise to the Jewish People.

3. There is no civil war and I hope none breaks out but again, if they are willing to cross all red lines and use unnecessary force against Jews, we will fight back and expel them from our midst. There comes a point when the damage that will be caused by NOT fighting will exceed the damage done by any potential civil.
We are not yet at that point but we are rapidly headed in that direction.

[zev]

Thanks Yaakov.  You've given me some food for thought.

[Shakoora]

Yes..."Don't turn the Other Cheek", this time Brothers.......

Baruch Ha SHem

[Shakoora]

Lay traps for any whom would use hostilitys againsy you, lead them into them ..if neccasary.........Hidden Vehicle pits......etc. If a fellow Jew raises a weapon to force you out, then He is not a Jew in GDs eyes, He is a Traitor. and is committing treason against the most High, whether he be religious, or not!

Blessings and power from the most High Ruark Ha Kadosh to those whom are true to
covenant!

[Shakoora]

                                      JOSHUA

Joshua 1 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

   

Joshua 1
   1Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying,

   2Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel.

   3Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you, as I said unto Moses.

   4From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast.

   5There shall not any man be able to stand before thee all the days of thy life: as I was with Moses, so I will be with thee: I will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.

   6Be strong and of a good courage: for unto this people shalt thou divide for an inheritance the land, which I sware unto their fathers to give them.

   7Only be thou strong and very courageous, that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law, which Moses my servant commanded thee: turn not from it to the right hand or to the left, that thou mayest prosper withersoever thou goest.

   8This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

   9Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.

   10Then Joshua commanded the officers of the people, saying,

   11Pass through the host, and command the people, saying, Prepare you victuals; for within three days ye shall pass over this Jordan, to go in to possess the land, which the LORD your God giveth you to possess it.

   12And to the Reubenites, and to the Gadites, and to half the tribe of Manasseh, spake Joshua, saying,

   13Remember the word which Moses the servant of the LORD commanded you, saying, The LORD your God hath given you rest, and hath given you this land.

   14Your wives, your little ones, and your cattle, shall remain in the land which Moses gave you on this side Jordan; but ye shall pass before your brethren armed, all the mighty men of valour, and help them;

   15Until the LORD have given your brethren rest, as he hath given you, and they also have possessed the land which the LORD your God giveth them: then ye shall return unto the land of your possession, and enjoy it, which Moses the LORD's servant gave you on this side Jordan toward the sunrising.

   16And they answered Joshua, saying, All that thou commandest us we will do, and whithersoever thou sendest us, we will go.

   17According as we hearkened unto Moses in all things, so will we hearken unto thee: only the LORD thy God be with thee, as he was with Moses.

   18Whosoever he be that doth rebel against thy commandment, and will not hearken unto thy words in all that thou commandest him, he shall be put to death: only be strong and of a good courage.

[Shakoora]

                              ON THE DAY OF SETTLEMENT EXPULSIONS

TO ALL MEMBERS

Spread the following news to the general public.

In the event of a settlement expulsion that appears imminent, please support the settlers and your Gd by doing the following A>S>P.

Commit a minor crime (Not a Commandment) as soon as you can .

we need to fill up the gaols, etc ,etc, so that the (so called) Authorities, have little space for detainees from settlements...

Baruch Ha Shem.................."May He Bless All Whom Support Israel"

[Aramat Mishkolot]

Why not take it one step further.Offensive is the best defence why should the leftests and Arabs set the agenda ,and we just react .Let settlements be set up in as many places as possible encouraging Jews inside and outside of Israel to settle in large numbers to show our love,strength and numbers.Also why should we be made to feel uncomfortable in our homeland of Israel ,Let the Arab get a taste of his own medicine .Boycott doing business with Arabs and those that employ them .If every Jew will just yell at every Arab on the street or wherever he encounters them ,with words such as Terrorist ,murders get out of our G-D given Israel ,imagine what can be.

I think it would be hard to argue that leftists and Arabs are setting the agenda in Israel, given that the three Arab parties have so little power in Israel and the strong US influence in Israel comes from a very powerful Zionist movement.

Adding to that, I don't see how yelling and harassing Arabs, many of whom are good people who've never done anything against you will acheive anything positive. At the end of the day you're asking to be treated with respect and dignity, but offering none.

(hooray for my first post)

[Abu Mujaahid]

You guys are disgraced Jews.

ALLAH U AKBAR, ALLAH U AKBAR!!!

[aGoi]

Amos 1. 6-8:
"Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Gaza, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they carried away captive the whole captivity, to deliver them up to Edom:
But I will send a fire on the wall of Gaza, which shall devour the palaces thereof: And I will cut off the inhabitant from Ashdod, and him that holdeth the sceptre from Ashkelon, and I will turn mine hand against Ekron: and the remnant of the Philistines shall perish, saith the Lord GOD. "

[BK]

You guys are disgraced Jews.

ALLAH U AKBAR, ALLAH U AKBAR!!!

Hehe - our very first rag-head! Welcome aboard sand-nigger!